SFF Roundup, Part I: Socket 478 and 754 Systems
by Jarred Walton on February 15, 2005 2:00 PM EST- Posted in
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Shuttle XPC SB61G2 V3.0 (cont'd)
Construction
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The construction of the XPC is very good, with a few minor mishaps that we will mention in a moment. Sharp edges were not a concern, and the interior space is well used. In fact, once you've fully installed all your hardware, there is very little wasted space. There aren't any doors that could break off or damage, so other than careless handling, the case should hold up well. The lack of doors is something of a double-edged sword, of course: it makes the construction less complex and presumably more reliable, but it also detracts a bit from the look. Both are viable options, and if you don't mind trying to find a silver bezel for your optical drive, the doorless approach is slightly preferred.
The Shuttle is like the iDEQ in the design of the expansion card slots, which is not necessarily good. You have a fold-up door as well as screws to secure any add-in cards, and you have to remove both screws in order to change a single card. This is somewhat annoying, as we said before, but unless you plan to change hardware frequently, it isn't the end of the world. Internally, the Shuttle is also similar to the iDEQ - or the iDEQ is similar to the Shuttle, if you prefer - as there is a removable drive cage for the optical drive, floppy, and hard drive. This comes out as an entire unit, however, rather than having a separate HDD bracket.
One item that we really liked with the Shuttle unit was the ICE heatpipe cooling solution. With a single large fan and the heatpipes connected to the large copper base that sits on the CPU, Shuttle is able to use a single fan to cool both the CPU as well as the case. A small fan is still present in the power supply and on the Northbridge, however, but the heatpipe does seem to work quite well. The PSU runs along the right side of the case and it is not necessary to remove it while working on the interior.
We encountered a couple of problems in our testing of the Shuttle unit. The first could be blamed at least partly on our use of a powered screwdriver: the screws that secure the drive cage got stripped when we were putting the cage back in place. We had to use some pliers and elbow grease to extract the one screw. We would like to state, however, that this same screwdriver was used on all of the other systems and didn't strip any other screws this badly. The screws on the Shuttle simply seemed to be very fragile, as even after stripping the one screw and changing to a manual screwdriver, we still see some wear and tear on the other screw. We swapped out the screws with some more durable extras that we had available, and we didn't have any further difficulties. (This isn't really a knock against the Shuttle, but merely something to think about when you're building your own PC.)
The second problem we encountered was during the process of disassembling the unit after testing. We had used an SATA hard drive, and it was far too difficult to remove the SATA cable from the motherboard connection. After a lot of tugging, twisting, etc., the cable finally came loose... along with the SATA sockets from the motherboard! We were able to remove the connector from the end of the cable by gripping it with pliers and applying a lot of force, and after managing that feat, we were not at all surprised that the socket was ripped out of the motherboard. Having an SATA cable fall out accidentally would be undesirable, but making it too difficult to detach is equally bad. We would hope that this problem is limited to the sample we were reviewing, but either way, it should not have happened. (Note that we were using the Shuttle supplied cable, so we would expect this to be a potential problem for other users.)
Setup
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The setup process for the XPC was very straightforward. Thumbscrews secure the cover as well as the fan of the heatpipe, and a standard CPU clamp secures the base of the heatpipe to the CPU. In order to install the CPU, the drive tray needs to be removed, and while it's out of the way, you should also install the RAM and hard drive. We found it easier to install the optical drive with the tray in the case, so that we could make sure the front of the drive lined up with the front bezel. If you plan on using an IDE hard drive, it would also be advisable to install the IDE cable now, since doing so with the drive cage in place would require very dexterous fingers. The SATA socket does not present such a problem.
After the hardware installation, it is a straightforward matter to install Windows and the drivers. There aren't any real extras to worry about, so all that you need to install are the Intel chipset drivers; and if you want, you can also install the WinFlash utility for flashing your BIOS. That's about all there was to it.
Noise, Heat and Performance
We have used other XPC SFFs, and we were initially impressed with the noise levels on the G5 unit. The G2 didn't really stand out as being quieter than the competition in this roundup, but it wasn't substantially louder either. As with the other units, using the integrated graphics helps quite a bit in reducing the noise emitted from the PC. Heat was also about the same level as the other units, and again, we have to simply assume that the Shuttle engineers have tested the system properly and verified that it will run as intended. We read that the systems have all been tested with a 6800GT and WD Raptor hard drive installed as a "worst case" scenario.The performance of the Shuttle was also good, coming in as the fastest encoding system and generally holding its own in the remaining tests. The difference is typically less than 10%, though, so it's not likely to be noticed in day-to-day use.
Overall Impressions
The Shuttle XPC that we've tested here leaves a decent overall impression, but if you were seriously considering a new Shuttle SFF, you might prefer to upgrade to one of the more recent models - this particular unit is now over a year old. Socket 478 is rather outdated and is on the way out, so unless you have a spare CPU already, there's nothing outstanding with the Shuttle that would cause us to recommend it over other options. It's a good case, and the MSRP is about $250 right now, so adding a TV/FM tuner and flash reader would price it similarly to the Aopen - perhaps slightly more. We do like the system, but there are better alternatives these days. The only real reason to purchase this XPC over something else would be if the appearance really suits you.Shuttle also has a slightly updated vresion of the SB61G2, version 4.0. Obviously, there area a lot of people that like this case, as it's now on the fourth revision. The latest model changes the ICE fan to a 92mm fan, further reducing the noise levels.
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CrystalBay - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
Hi, How about the dual Opteron Iwill, that keeps flashing on the right.skunklet - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
there is an ideq with an embedded c3 proc that i would love to see a review of.gerf - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
I'd been looking at that Biostar SFF, as its specs are better than the equivalent Shuttle version, and is much cheaper. And now you drop a great review for it! I think that both I and my brother are going to use it for our new systems. Thank you for the kickarse review!JarredWalton - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
#6 - fixed, along with a few other things I noticed. If anyone sees anything else, feel free to drop me a line.#7/#8 - both of those are on the list of S939 systems we have coming for review. (We haven't received the PCIe one yet, but it should arrive sometime soon.) Unfortunately, most of the "high end" SFFs that we currently have are S775 for whatever reason. I think we have eight 775 units and only three 939 right now. I'd really like to see additional S754 units as well, since Sempron is moving in that direction.
I think one of the reasons that we're seeing more Intel SFFs is due to the chipset support. 865G is really almost the same price as 865PE, so the integrated graphics are "free". They're not good for gaming, but for most other tasks they work well. The only AMD platform chipsets with IGP are currently the outdated VIA K8M800 and the SiS stuff, although there are some newer offerings.
In case any of you aren't aware of this, we really can't afford to simply go out and purchase every item that we want to review. Since the reviews are basically "free" advertising (although if a unit has serious problems, it may not be good), the manufacturers have to send us the parts. In case any manufacturers are reading this, get in touch with us and we'll be happy to review any of your SFFs that you send our way! There are quite a few manufacturers that aren't currently represented.
Phantronius - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
Im hoping the SN25P turns out to be reliable unlike the SN95G.That and the way the PCI-E cards are facing the opposite direction makes me wonder about heat with both slots taken up. Hrmm....
REMF - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
AT - don't even consider doing your high-end round up until you have the new nForce4 P-series Shuttle due to be released at the end of the month.i would also like to see the nForce3 G5-Series Shuttle compared against it, and other high-end SFF chassis'. :D
AtaStrumf - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
WAU, that is one massive review! Good work guys.Just one typo to point out on page 8:
The iDEQ doesn't include any notable extras **included**, but it does have all of the high quality standard features that we like.
There was one more "it" that shoud have been "if", but I forgot where it was. Sorry :-)
I thought this article would include a MAC mini, but I guess that will be a separate article altogether.
If I may, I would suggest you only focus on SFF systems which stand out in a positive way and stay clear of the ones that don't. Just seems like a lot of pointless work.
MIDIman - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
Been waiting for anand's SFF reviews. Looking forward to the A64-939 / Intel 775 review that I'm sure will be next.arswihart - Note that the SB61G2V3 is Shuttle's latest socket 478, Intel-based system. All of their newer products are socket 775 which will be in a later review. However, I think there are plenty on the AMD side that could've been covered instead that are socket 754...the SN85G4V3 ain't too shabby.
quidpro - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
Absolutely no way that 7 bright blue leds in the Aopen (which only get brighter) should be considered acceptable or "minor" for an entertainment system, in my opinion. My shuttle has only two lights and I've had to cover them up with electrical tape with a small pinhole in order to cut down on the extremely distracting glare coming from it while watching a movie...the orange HD led flashes (as it should) which is even more distracting...arswihart - Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - link
what the hell were they thinking when they chose to review this obsolete Shuttle system?