NVIDIA 680i SLI: Official 1333MHz FSB CPU Support Arrives
by Gary Key on July 20, 2007 12:01 AM EST- Posted in
- CPUs
Quick Thoughts:
At first glance, all facts indicate the NVIDIA 680i chipset fully supports the new 1333MHz FSB processors. Dare we say that at times the performance capability of the 680i chipset even excels when utilizing the latest and greatest CPU from Intel? This is in stark contrast to several of our test results when the P35 was first launched and indicates NVIDIA has been busy tweaking the BIOS to gain some additional speed. If only NVIDIA had spent some additional time tweaking their Vista drivers then we would be truly happy - not really, but close enough.
There was nothing really surprising in the initial test results from a historical viewpoint. Both chipsets showed their strengths in certain areas and held on tight in the others. In applications that are GPU or storage system sensitive, the 680i consistently finishes first in most of our benchmarks. It is only in the memory bandwidth, CPU throughput, or latency sensitive applications that we see the Intel P35 chipset pull away, although the differences for both are minimal in nearly all cases.
As far as the new P30 BIOS goes for the EVGA 680i SLI board, there are not any additional settings or features when compared to previous releases. However, official 1333FSB support is present and working properly with a wide range of E6x50 processors that we have tried to date. In fact, the advantages we noticed in lower voltage requirements when overclocking and improved memory throughput with the 1066FSB processors is what impressed us the most about this BIOS. However, not all is perfect in the land of 1333 and that brings us to our concerns about this BIOS.
We had a very difficult time running our memory at settings above DDR2-1000 unless we really relaxed our timings with the QX6850. This did not occur with our E6850 or E6550 processors for the most part - we still had to relax the memory sub-timings compared to the 1066FSB cousins but nothing like we had to do with quad core. We have had some luck running our memory at 1T above DDR2-800 on this board in the past but not this time. We still noticed a couple of "holes" where the straps change, something that is present in all 600i chipsets, but with the QX6850 the frequency and spread seemed worse.
Our 435FSB overclocking result with the QX6850 processor is very good for a 680i based board although we firmly believe it could be better if it were not for the location of the strap changes and memory timing problems. That said, the FSB increases would not be much higher unless additional cooling is present on the MCP/SPP and associated chips around the CPU area. The voltages required to reach the 470+ FSB range with the QX6850 created significant thermal issues with our board when testing 24/7. The heat buildup did not allow us to keep the board at our 8x470FSB setting for more than a few hours during benchmark testing.
We also had problems when setting our memory to Linked and utilizing any sub-setting other than Sync when overclocking the QX6850. The board was not always stable, would not post, or required greatly relaxed timings with the 5:4, 3:2, or even the auto ratio settings once we passed the 385FSB mark. At this time we believe some additional BIOS tuning will solve most of these problems as we have already noticed strap and ratio changes in the latest ASUS, MSI, and Gigabyte BIOS releases that have cured some of their early ills.
Overall, we were pleasantly surprised with the performance of the 680i chipset and the QX6850. In early testing we are seeing very good results with other 600i based boards and have no doubt performance will continue to improve over time. Our advice if you have a 600i based board and want to purchase one of the new 1333FSB based processors is to go for it. Just realize chances are your current 1066FSB Core 2 Duo will probably already run at 1333FSB without too much trouble, so the more likely reason to upgrade CPUs is if you're looking at moving to quad core. Even then, we'd likely stick with the Q6600, especially next week when the new prices kick in.
At first glance, all facts indicate the NVIDIA 680i chipset fully supports the new 1333MHz FSB processors. Dare we say that at times the performance capability of the 680i chipset even excels when utilizing the latest and greatest CPU from Intel? This is in stark contrast to several of our test results when the P35 was first launched and indicates NVIDIA has been busy tweaking the BIOS to gain some additional speed. If only NVIDIA had spent some additional time tweaking their Vista drivers then we would be truly happy - not really, but close enough.
There was nothing really surprising in the initial test results from a historical viewpoint. Both chipsets showed their strengths in certain areas and held on tight in the others. In applications that are GPU or storage system sensitive, the 680i consistently finishes first in most of our benchmarks. It is only in the memory bandwidth, CPU throughput, or latency sensitive applications that we see the Intel P35 chipset pull away, although the differences for both are minimal in nearly all cases.
As far as the new P30 BIOS goes for the EVGA 680i SLI board, there are not any additional settings or features when compared to previous releases. However, official 1333FSB support is present and working properly with a wide range of E6x50 processors that we have tried to date. In fact, the advantages we noticed in lower voltage requirements when overclocking and improved memory throughput with the 1066FSB processors is what impressed us the most about this BIOS. However, not all is perfect in the land of 1333 and that brings us to our concerns about this BIOS.
We had a very difficult time running our memory at settings above DDR2-1000 unless we really relaxed our timings with the QX6850. This did not occur with our E6850 or E6550 processors for the most part - we still had to relax the memory sub-timings compared to the 1066FSB cousins but nothing like we had to do with quad core. We have had some luck running our memory at 1T above DDR2-800 on this board in the past but not this time. We still noticed a couple of "holes" where the straps change, something that is present in all 600i chipsets, but with the QX6850 the frequency and spread seemed worse.
Our 435FSB overclocking result with the QX6850 processor is very good for a 680i based board although we firmly believe it could be better if it were not for the location of the strap changes and memory timing problems. That said, the FSB increases would not be much higher unless additional cooling is present on the MCP/SPP and associated chips around the CPU area. The voltages required to reach the 470+ FSB range with the QX6850 created significant thermal issues with our board when testing 24/7. The heat buildup did not allow us to keep the board at our 8x470FSB setting for more than a few hours during benchmark testing.
We also had problems when setting our memory to Linked and utilizing any sub-setting other than Sync when overclocking the QX6850. The board was not always stable, would not post, or required greatly relaxed timings with the 5:4, 3:2, or even the auto ratio settings once we passed the 385FSB mark. At this time we believe some additional BIOS tuning will solve most of these problems as we have already noticed strap and ratio changes in the latest ASUS, MSI, and Gigabyte BIOS releases that have cured some of their early ills.
Overall, we were pleasantly surprised with the performance of the 680i chipset and the QX6850. In early testing we are seeing very good results with other 600i based boards and have no doubt performance will continue to improve over time. Our advice if you have a 600i based board and want to purchase one of the new 1333FSB based processors is to go for it. Just realize chances are your current 1066FSB Core 2 Duo will probably already run at 1333FSB without too much trouble, so the more likely reason to upgrade CPUs is if you're looking at moving to quad core. Even then, we'd likely stick with the Q6600, especially next week when the new prices kick in.
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TA152H - Saturday, July 21, 2007 - link
I see this Asus Blitzkrieg Extreme, but what it is? It kind of gets thrown in there with no explanation, but I can't find anything that describes it, or any mention of it on Asus's website.Don't you think you should have at least mentioned what this thing is? I mean, I gathered it's a P35 DDR3 motherboard, but then so is the P5K3. So, obviously something is different, but no explanation is given.
Chunga29 - Sunday, July 22, 2007 - link
What's an ASUS Commando? Originally it was a P5B Deluxe plus $150. I would guess the Blitzkrieg is about the same: tuned for a bit higher OCing, but really just a more expensive mobo that isn't necessary for 99% of users.Review forthcoming, I'd assume, Gary?
TA152H - Saturday, July 21, 2007 - link
Show me someone with a Nvidia chipset for Intel processors, and I'll show you an idiot. Why would anyone in their right mind even consider a non-Intel chipset, except for real low power uses (which even Intel does for some of their motherboards, from SIS). Intel easily makes the best chipsets and more importantly they are the standard and almost as importantly are extremely well supported by the parent company.Nvidia is fine for a minor company like AMD that can't make a decent chipset, or hasn't chosen to, but for Intel that makes a much broader line of products, which are not only excellent but extremely well supported, Nvidia makes no sense at all. It's not only that, they don't manufacture their products, and now that Intel is moving their chipsets to more modern manufacturing processes, it's obvious they are taking them very seriously.
It's a good review though, just so everyone can see there is no point in Nvidia. Otherwise, there would be those lingering doubts.
ATWindsor - Saturday, July 21, 2007 - link
Theese are extremly seriuos problems with a motherboard, why not focus abit more on functionality and stability and less on overclocking in the reviews, so the users won't get theese nasty suprises?AtW
rjm55 - Friday, July 20, 2007 - link
nVidia can crow all they want about 1333 support, but the fact is their dhipsets don't support DDR3. With the new DDR3-1600, DDR3-1666, and DDR3-2000 low latency parts that have started shipping, nVidia has nothing to crow about. DDR2 has just become obsolete with these new DDR3 parts and nVidia can only handle DDR2. Guess these expensive boards will soon be on closeout at Newegg.TA152H - Saturday, July 21, 2007 - link
I agree, but they probably needed to do nothing to this part, just say it runs at 1333 MHz and thus is compatible with the newer products.Clearly they need a DDR3 chipset, but then again, what is the point of Nvidia chipsets for Intel processors anyway? It's not like Intel's aren't fantastic, or that they overprice them. I don't see any value-add to Nvidia in this space, they take too much power and offer essentially nothing. But, if they insist on staying, they need to get DDR3 out and fast. DDR2 is obsolete, and their chipsets thus are as well.
DigitalFreak - Friday, July 20, 2007 - link
ROFLMAO! You have become obsolete.Here's your sign.
Owls - Friday, July 20, 2007 - link
We lined up several 600i motherboards on the test bench, popped our QX6850 in each one, flipped the switch, and then took several deep breaths as board after board failed to run properly. A couple of boards would not even POST, a few worked fine, and some would boot into Vista and then act strange - not Britney Spears strange mind you; more like Paris Hilton behind bars. You just knew that QX6850 wanted to escape its confines and party all night long, but instead it was limited to a few whimpers and constant pleas for help from its socket induced hell.Get to the point. You don't get +1s for being funny in a professional article, what a joke.
gigahertz20 - Friday, July 20, 2007 - link
Go somewhere else then if you don't like a little humor in the articles. I thought it was funny and plus it's not like we pay to read Anandtech articles, so stop bitching about something you get for free.JKing76 - Friday, July 20, 2007 - link
I notice that this is not a micro-ATX roundup. I notice that a week has elapsed from the specific day we were told the roundup would start. And of course, everyone in the uATX Results thread has noticed that we've been jerked around for three months about this supposed review.