ASUS ROG Rampage Formula: Why we were wrong about the Intel X48
by Kris Boughton on January 25, 2008 4:30 AM EST- Posted in
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MCH Read Delay Scaling and Default tRD Settings for Each Strap
Earlier, when we introduced the concept of the memory strap, we also included a table of common memory configurations that contained a column of "Default tRD" values. It's important to realize that these values are associated with the strap and have nothing to do with the actual FSB setting. This is because default operation assumes no overclocking, therefore if the 266 strap is being used then the processor obviously must be running at its rated FSB speed of 266MHz. Adding to this the element of a fully adjustable FSB introduces a new level of complexity that the system was never designed to handle.
This allows us to explain why making use of lower strap settings at one time provided for higher levels of performance - we've created the table below for just this purpose. (We say "at one time" because, as we will soon learn, most motherboards now implement strap changes in a manner much different than was previously done.) For example, selecting the 400 strap and setting a 1:1 memory divider at 400MHz FSB would result in DDR2-800 memory speed. By converting the FSB frequency into a cycle period (time for each clock tick) and then multiplying this value by the strap's default MCH Read Delay (tRD) we can effortlessly calculate the true latency (in nanoseconds) associated with this setting. As an example, dividing 1000 by the FSB (400MHz) gives us 2.5 (nanoseconds) - the co-efficient of 1000 used in this conversion formula was purposefully selected in order to give our result in the proper units. So, 12 times 2.5ns equals 30ns, which we then pair with our derived DDR speed rating of DDR2-800.
We will go into more detail about what this value means, but for the time being simply recognize that we want to minimize this number. We can see that the optimal configuration is one in which we would make use of a lower strap along with a higher FSB. While simultaneously applying these two considerations is obviously paramount in order to take advantage of this affect, the practical application of this approach is bounded in a number of ways. For instance, the near absolute minimum limit on any true read delay latency (tRD) might eventually come into play. We also need to be mindful of which memory dividers are available for the strap of choice, as these will ultimately dictate what final memory speeds are possible. Finally, we will soon learn that there are some strict rules that define whether or not a particular MCH Read Delay (tRD) is allowable, depending on the FSB, memory divider in use, and even the memory Column Address Strobe (CAS) setting.
Now that we have had a chance to apply the simple equation to convert a tRD value into a TRD latency, we are ready to examine a graphic that displays the full breadth of this concept. We have plotted the complete range of FSB speeds encompassed by currently defined straps versus the derived TRD values for each default tRD associated with each strap. That may sound more complicated that what it really is; basically, these lines represent how TRD scales across our FSB window of interest (266 to 400MHz FSB) for each tRD in the table above. We can see that by drawing a vertical line from each default FSB up to the line corresponding to that strap's default tRD, and then reading across always results in the same TRD - 30.0 ns. This is by design, and is precisely how each default tRD was determined for all of the straps we have examined. It may be helpful to think of tRD as another memory timing, except that it has nothing to do with memory and everything to do with the MCH. In this sense it responds to FSB scaling in the same way as other memory timings - CAS (tCL), RAS to CAS (tRCD), Row Precharge (tRP) - the true latency (TRD) always decreases in a manner inversely proportional to FSB, and at some point will reach a minimum where the next higher tRD must be used in order to continue scaling.
What happens if we can set the tRD independent of the strap in use? Of course, the strap selected would still dictate which memory dividers are available, but no longer are we forced to make this change solely for the purposes of modifying tRD. As it turns out, this is exactly how these settings work with most of today's enthusiast motherboards built for overclocking, and the ASUS Rampage Formula is no exception. The ability to set a tRD value, regardless of the strap (i.e. memory divider), allows for a whole new world of possibilities when tuning for enhanced performance.
This brings us to the focus of true improvements made to the X38 chipset, which can be experienced more easily with X48 now. Too many benchmark reviews have been guilty of inappropriately discounting the value of this new chipset by calling the X48 little more than a "speed binned" version of the X38 and then comparing their relative performance at stock speeds. This would be like calling the QX6850 (3.00GHz default clock) a speed binned version of the Q6600 (2.4GHz default clock), benching them head-to-head at an equivalent speed, and then concluding that the QX6850 provides no additional value. Overclocking headroom is exactly what differentiates Intel's current line of Core 2 Extreme CPUs from their mainstream offerings, and it's also what makes the X48 stand head and shoulders above the X38 now that the BIOS designs have matured. When all is said and done, this just makes us wonder who really understands how to overclock the MCH properly.
MCH overclocking takes many forms. One form is something you might already be familiar with, carried out by simply raising the FSB. The problem is that BIOS setup routines will usually provide relief to the MCH by automatically relaxing tRD as the FSB is pushed higher and higher. This effect can easily negate any gains that might otherwise be achieved. Taking control of tRD and manually steering it to a lower value will allow the user to retain the associated performance increase, and as such must also technically be considered overclocking. As with most if not all positive performance adjustments realized while overclocking, this modification comes at a cost - in particular, the need for increased vMCH.
That is not to say that a certain level of headroom does not already exist as an accessible performance boost - it does. While Intel is wise to provide generous levels of margin between pre-established default tRD values and those attainable without the need for any additional voltage, we would consider ourselves foolish if we did not take advantage of this relatively free performance improvement. For instance, looking at the plot of X48 MCH overclocking response curves below we can see that although a default tRD value of 12 is normally used at greater than 400MHz FSB (using the 400 strap), at about 425MHz FSB we should have little to no trouble setting a tRD of 6, even using stock vMCH. The end result this tRD reduction of 6 clocks brings is a total memory read latency decrease of approximately 14.1ns (the difference in TRD values at 425MHz FSB using a tRD of 12 and 6).
With that, we can finally see how this consideration comes full circle - the lower the TRD, the higher the memory read performance and vice versa. This change in TRD also drives vMCH, with lower values requiring substantially more voltage than the more "relaxed" (higher) values. We were able to push our ASUS Rampage Formula to a very impressive 450MHz FSB using a tRD of 5, which correlates to a TRD of about 11.1 ns. Because this required about 1.60V vMCH, for all intents and purposes we would consider this to be the practical limit of scaling, at least with conventional cooling. Above this voltage, we find that the X48 quickly turns into a little furnace during periods of prolonged load. Our recommendation is the liberal use of extra cooling capacity if you feel the need to push any further.
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Vikendios - Thursday, January 31, 2008 - link
Very Interesting. But I believe that AT is also guilty of perpetuating the chipset/multiple GPU incompatibility (or non-optimization) myths, by not giving us systematic reviews of X38/48 and 680/790i using both ATI and Nvidia twinned cards.And if some BIOS adjustments or driver updates are becessary to twin Nvidia cards under Intel chipsets, or ATI/AMD cards under Nvidia's, kindly tell and guide us.
I'm not a conspiration theorist, but I think there is more than meets the eye in the present situation.
The apparent paradox of Intel (chipsets) pushing AMD (Crossfire) solutions is just marketing cycle hysteresis from the days when ATI was still an independent canadian company.
But both Intel and AMD resent video card chip manufacturers forcing their way into hard-wired motherboard real estate thru the multiple GPU concept, with attendant slot and chipset modifications. With the demise of Via, Intel and AMD believe they can own the chipsets, as long as the motherboard manufacturers are only assemblers.
For Nvidia, multiple GPU is an easy way to extend the life of a good graphic chip until the next generation comes up, but mostly it provides for a temporary proprietary claim on the motherboard design. 3dfx first tried that years ago in Voodoo days and it worked. It worked again when ATI couldn't follow up fast enough on SLI and had to fall in AMD's arms.
Nvidia gambled that SLI would allow it to impose its own chipset business, either by technical or marketing (SLI endorsment) means. What next ? Special gaming CPU's ? That's a dangerous taunt, although Intel doesn't yet dare buy them, or compete directly with them with their own GPU's, out of anti-trust concerns in Brussels.
Holly - Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - link
Excelent description of memory timing magic. Thumbs up :-)FSBastrd - Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - link
I may have come off a little brash with my first comment. The article is pretty sweet, and I was able to read through it without the pictures, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like to view them. It's not just this article either. Pictures pretty much never load on this website for me.kjboughton - Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - link
Do you run some type of ad blocker? It may be causing problems by incorrectly blocking images from our servers...FSBastrd - Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - link
I'm basically running a stock version of Firefox, so no. Ironically, the ads are just about the only pictures that do load for me. Also, all of the picture for the AnandTech homepage load for me, it's just the pics in the articles This is the only website that really gives me problems. One last thing, some (rare) pictures do load for me from the articles. All in all, it's quite strange, and I can't figure it out.FSBastrd - Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - link
Am I the only one who can't get pictures to load from this site. It would sure make this article a whole lot easier to follow along.sje123 - Tuesday, January 29, 2008 - link
Excellent review as ever!Quick question with regard to Watercooling blocks for this board. It looks more or less identical to the X38 apart from the different chip in the NB, therefore I'm wondering if you could tell me whether or not you think an ASUS X38 NB block would also fit the ASUS X48 Rampage?
is the NB under the cooler the same size etc and are the mouting screws in the same position as the X38 eg the Maximus?
THe SB and the mofset coolers will be the same as the Maximus.
snarfbot - Sunday, January 27, 2008 - link
alright, pretty exciting results here.at trd of 8 (default) at 400mhz 1:1 cas 4, i got 7687mb/s read, and 64ns latency in everest.
at trd of 6 at the same speed, divider and cas setting i got 8089mb/s read, and 59.8ns latency.
then just for fun i bumped the speed upto 500 and loosened the timings to cas 5, at 5:4, i left the trd at 6. at these settings i got 8640mb/s read, and 57.5 latency.
the latency suprised me, as the trd remained the same, and i actually loosened the cas latency.
anyways pretty good results.
processor is a e2140@3200mhz.
snarfbot - Sunday, January 27, 2008 - link
alright, i have a ga-p35-ds3l. im running the fsb at 400, memory at 1:1 cas 4.i set trd to 6 in the bios. based on the formula, it shouldnt even post.
trd(6) - tcl(4)/n(1) =fsb400(2)/1
2=2
im gonna run through sandra and see what the difference is, if there is any, or perhaps this setting doesnt work correctly on this board.
Fyl - Sunday, January 27, 2008 - link
not to lower the merits of this great article but since I've read it I've been experimenting on my machine different settings and for some of them your formula doesn't seem to stand; here's an example of a stable configuration, no overvoltage to anything:E8500@3.6 (400MHzx9)
P35-DS4 (tRD 7)
2x2G DDR2 800 (400MHz, 5-5-5-12)
based on your formula N = 400:400 = 1 and x = 2
therefore 7-(5/1) > 2/1 => 2 > 2 => false but actually working
am I missing anything?